Comments on: No more Members http://www.davidwakerley.com/2007/08/19/no-more-members/ A Repository of Words from David Wakerley Sat, 06 Mar 2010 20:20:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Scott Williams http://www.davidwakerley.com/2007/08/19/no-more-members/comment-page-1/#comment-8066 Scott Williams Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:49:50 +0000 http://www.davidwakerley.com/2007/08/19/no-more-members/#comment-8066 Dave, thanks to you and others on your blog for the feedback and ping to the blog I posted on Swerve. The change in language is the beginning of a long-term mindset shift. It is the same as Disney referring to their employees as Cast, it creates ownership in being part of the show. Dave, thanks to you and others on your blog for the feedback and ping to the blog I posted on Swerve. The change in language is the beginning of a long-term mindset shift. It is the same as Disney referring to their employees as Cast, it creates ownership in being part of the show.

]]> By: Johnny E! http://www.davidwakerley.com/2007/08/19/no-more-members/comment-page-1/#comment-8065 Johnny E! Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:00:03 +0000 http://www.davidwakerley.com/2007/08/19/no-more-members/#comment-8065 Thanks Glen, good to meet you too. Love your responses! THanks too to you Dave for the forum on this! Thanks Glen, good to meet you too. Love your responses! THanks too to you Dave for the forum on this!

]]> By: Kristin Evans http://www.davidwakerley.com/2007/08/19/no-more-members/comment-page-1/#comment-8064 Kristin Evans Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:04:42 +0000 http://www.davidwakerley.com/2007/08/19/no-more-members/#comment-8064 We have "members" but really it is until those people are "partners" - serving somewhere - that we really feel people are a part of the vision. And I think that is so true for the people serving. We are all about building God's kingdom, not belonging to the right club. I'm in agreement of doing away with the "member" mentality. If we would all have this mentality - that church is NOT about me, but about God and what He wants to do in the hearts of people that day. How far would the church! It would be an unstoppable force! We have “members” but really it is until those people are “partners” – serving somewhere – that we really feel people are a part of the vision. And I think that is so true for the people serving. We are all about building God’s kingdom, not belonging to the right club. I’m in agreement of doing away with the “member” mentality. If we would all have this mentality – that church is NOT about me, but about God and what He wants to do in the hearts of people that day. How far would the church! It would be an unstoppable force!

]]> By: Glen Woods http://www.davidwakerley.com/2007/08/19/no-more-members/comment-page-1/#comment-8063 Glen Woods Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:56:38 +0000 http://www.davidwakerley.com/2007/08/19/no-more-members/#comment-8063 Thanks Dave. By the way, I agree with your post and your comment. I also would agree that helping people feel a part of what is going on by creating an ethos where everyone is challenged to serve is a positive thing, especially in our consumerist society. Having been a elder board member in the past, I can imagine there also would be discussion about the language of bylaws, what it would take to revise them in order to accomodate new language, and how that affects who can vote, and so on. I guess the practical aspect of that is what prompted my question. I certainly wasn't trying to be disagreeable. :) Blessings, Glen Woods Thanks Dave. By the way, I agree with your post and your comment. I also would agree that helping people feel a part of what is going on by creating an ethos where everyone is challenged to serve is a positive thing, especially in our consumerist society.

Having been a elder board member in the past, I can imagine there also would be discussion about the language of bylaws, what it would take to revise them in order to accomodate new language, and how that affects who can vote, and so on. I guess the practical aspect of that is what prompted my question. I certainly wasn’t trying to be disagreeable. :)

Blessings,

Glen Woods

]]> By: Dave Wakerley http://www.davidwakerley.com/2007/08/19/no-more-members/comment-page-1/#comment-8062 Dave Wakerley Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:37:19 +0000 http://www.davidwakerley.com/2007/08/19/no-more-members/#comment-8062 I guess it will vary from congregation/denomination. Some really emphasise membership... I think it is the attitude and expectations of the person becoming a part of church that will make the difference. A change in language would really help them realise that their expectations may be different to the church they are 'joining'. Dave I guess it will vary from congregation/denomination. Some really emphasise membership…

I think it is the attitude and expectations of the person becoming a part of church that will make the difference. A change in language would really help them realise that their expectations may be different to the church they are ‘joining’.

Dave

]]> By: Glen Woods http://www.davidwakerley.com/2007/08/19/no-more-members/comment-page-1/#comment-8061 Glen Woods Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:11:52 +0000 http://www.davidwakerley.com/2007/08/19/no-more-members/#comment-8061 Johnny E, I don't believe we have had the privilege of meeting. Thanks so much for sharing your opinion about my question. I appreciate your thoughtfulness! Blessings, Glen Woods Johnny E,

I don’t believe we have had the privilege of meeting. Thanks so much for sharing your opinion about my question. I appreciate your thoughtfulness!

Blessings,

Glen Woods

]]> By: Johnny E! http://www.davidwakerley.com/2007/08/19/no-more-members/comment-page-1/#comment-8060 Johnny E! Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:48:14 +0000 http://www.davidwakerley.com/2007/08/19/no-more-members/#comment-8060 Why? What leagal reasons are there? Why not just change the name all together. We want people to be apart of our ministry, with out people there is no ministry. Partners is a word that helps bring that vision together, that you are going to have to work to get something done. Membership makes one feel that someone else is getting paid to do something, like the dishes, I can throw my money at it and somene will get it done for me. We must stop coddling people in minstry and start challenging them to serve and be leaders. Why? What leagal reasons are there? Why not just change the name all together. We want people to be apart of our ministry, with out people there is no ministry. Partners is a word that helps bring that vision together, that you are going to have to work to get something done. Membership makes one feel that someone else is getting paid to do something, like the dishes, I can throw my money at it and somene will get it done for me. We must stop coddling people in minstry and start challenging them to serve and be leaders.

]]> By: Glen Woods http://www.davidwakerley.com/2007/08/19/no-more-members/comment-page-1/#comment-8059 Glen Woods Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:21:47 +0000 http://www.davidwakerley.com/2007/08/19/no-more-members/#comment-8059 What if we maintained the language of "membership" for legal purposes and then used the language of ministry partnership for communication purposes? What if we maintained the language of “membership” for legal purposes and then used the language of ministry partnership for communication purposes?

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